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[AVC(H.264)] 2009 Xvid(视频制作)发布标准 读后感

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发表于 2009-6-14 12:02 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
本帖最后由 feline 于 2009-6-14 12:15 编辑

以下是本人读过“标准”后结合目前实际情况的一些主观感受,希望大家积极能参与讨论


绝大多数影片可以在2CD内搞定,除非像“辛格勒名单”,“泰坦尼克”“拯救大兵”片长高达一百九十多分钟的影片。

能在1CD内解决的,绝不拖到2CD

音频部分能使用原声的,尽量不编码成其他格式

多音轨其实是个花架子,保持原声音轨就足够了

avi格式虽然比较老了,但兼容性没得说的,无论是dvd播放机器,还是在pc上。

减小画面尺寸有助于减小容量吗?不知道。但是别人的经验总是有一定道理的,按照画面尺寸直接进行编码是不负责任的行为,不裁剪黑边更是不符责任,其实我们可以做得更好。

追求画质不能成为将影片编码为多CD的借口,除非影片长度确实接近临界区

264编码器的压缩比本来就比xvid出色,所以就更没有理由“为赋新词强说愁”了


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开始文字拷贝,附上标准原文与注释
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The federation of releasing groups presents
当前发布小组联盟

The XviD Releasing Standards 2009
2009 Xvid(视频制作)发布标准

Requirements: Notepad with terminal font or any other ascii viewer.
(阅读软件)需求:带有终端字体的记事本或者是任何其他(能正确显示)ASCII码的浏览器(因为原始文档发布为nfo格式)

These rules take effect March 5, 2009 (2009-03-05) at 00:00 UTC. Thanks to all groups who participated.
以下规则于协调世界时间(UTC) 2009年3月5日零时开始生效,感谢所有参与(遵循此规范)的(发布)小组。
[ RELEASE RULES ]
[ 发布规则 ]

Movie Length:
影片长度:

- Allowed sizes are 175MB, 350MB and multiples of 1 CD (700MB).
- 175MB(1/4CD),350MB(1/2CD)和多份1CD(700MB)(大小的作品)被允许发布

- The following formula will guide you to get the appropriate size:
- 下列公式将正确地指导你得到适合的容量:

target-size = VIDEO-FPS * VIDEO-RUNTIME(in mins) * 0.28
目标容量 = 视频fps × 视频(正片?)长度(以分钟为单位) × 0.28

Use the target-size value to index the MAXIMUM allowed size, examples:
使用目标容量值作为最大允许容量的参考,例如:

target-size = 25.000fps * 98min * 0.28 = 686, MAX size is 1 CD
目标容量 = 25.000fps * 98min * 0.28 = 686,最大容量为1 CD

target-size = 23.976fps * 49min * 0.28 = 329, MAX size is 1/2 CD
target-size = 18.000fps * 65min * 0.28 = 328, MAX size is 1/2 CD

VIDEO-RUNTIME is in minutes only, no fractions, and rounded up to the next full minute, e.g. 104 min and 5 secs = put 105 min inside the formula. The following table describes the MAXIMUM size allowed for each runtime in minutes:
视频(正片?)长度只能使用分钟(来计算),没有零头,(如果有零头)并且计入下一分钟,
例如:104分钟零5秒 = 105分钟,将105分钟代入公式

FPS|175MB |350MB|700MB |1400MB | 2100MB
23.976 | -26|26:01-52 |52:01-104 |104:01-208 |208:01-312
以23帧每秒的影片为例,正片长度在26分钟以下的标准容量为175MB(1/4 CD)
正片长度在26分钟以上52分钟以下的的标准容量为350MB(1/2 CD)
正片长度在52分钟以上104分钟以下的的标准容量为700MB (1 CD)
正片长度在104分钟以上208分钟以下的的标准容量为1400MB (2 CD)
正片长度在208分钟以上312分钟以下的的标准容量为2100MB (3 CD)

25.000 | -25|25:01-50 |50:01-100 |100:01-200 |200:01-300
29.970 | -20|20:01-41 |41:01-83| 83:01-166 |166:01-250
  
- The above table indicates the MAXIMUM size allowed to encode at, but it is ripper's discretion to use smaller values, e.g. 110 min PAL movie can use AT MOST 1400MB but can also use lower sizes such as 700MB.

- If at the lowest resolution allowed and MP3 audio bitrate of 128 kbps average I/P quant is above 4.5, releases may jump 1 size up (e.g. 2 CDs may be used instead of 1). Such cases MUST provide proper proof and explanation in the nfo.


TV Length:
- All Episodes <RETAIL rips> are obligated to follow these rules.
- Allowed sizes in MB are 175, 233, 350 and multiples of 700 (an extra OPTIONAL size is 550MB, see below).
- Use the same target-size formula listed above to determine appropriate sizing. Some examples are:
target-size = 25.000fps * 20min * 0.28 = 140, MAX size is 175 MB
target-size = 23.976fps * 60min * 0.28 = 403, MAX size is 700 MB
target-size = 29.970fps * 25min * 0.28 = 210, MAX size is 233 MB

*VIDEO-RUNTIME is in minutes only, no fractions, and rounded up to the next full minute, e.g. 41 min and 5 secs = put 42 min inside the formula.

- 550MB may be used at ripper's discretion when target-size is above 260MB.
- If the formula gives a value below 100MB, sizes smaller than 175MB are allowed, at ripper's discretion. It is also ripper's discretion to use smaller sizes than those targeted by the formula for each specific runtime and framerate (e.g. a release that should be 350MB according to the formula may also be released at 233MB).

AUDIO:
音频部分:
- MUST be VBR MP3 or Studio AC3.
必须为VBR编码的mp3或者AC3格式

- ABR is considered a VBR technique.
ABR编码也被认为是一种VBR编码技术。

- MUST be STEREO for STEREO sources, MONO for MONO sources
立体声来源必须编码为立体声,单声道来源(必须编码)为单声道

(Any audio track with identical channels is considered a MONO source).- MP3 tracks must keep the original frequency as it was on the source's audio: e.g. 48khz for 48khz and 44.1khz for 44.1khz.
- 当MP3作为音轨时必须保持原始采样频率

- Mono or Dual Mono (1+1) AC3 is forbidden; use mono MP3.
- MP3 audio must be normalized. Stereo sources must use stereo or
joint-stereo encoding mode. Mono sources must use mono encoding mode;
dual-mono is forbidden.
- Encoding or re-encoding audio to AC3 is strictly forbidden, except in
in the case of HD retail source (see Source related notes).
- Use of AC3 is at the ripper's discretion, but should be used wisely.
Choice of AC3 or MP3 is not a technical flaw except as otherwise noted.
- Multi-language audio tracks are FORBIDDEN! (Use INTERNAL)

VIDEO:
视频(部分):

- Keyframe:
- 关键帧
MUST be <=20 seconds and MUST be inserted according to scene changes and framesizes as determined by the codec or encoding application.
必须小于二十秒,必须被插入到场景变换和编码应用程序和编解码器侦测到的帧大小

- Group watermarks of any kind on the video are forbidden.
-        禁止在视频中出现发布团体的水印(标记)。

- English retail releases may not contain foreign language text overlays from localized versions.

Framerate:
帧率:
- MUST be as close to original source framerate as possible.
- 必须尽可能地接近原始帧率。

- In some cases PAL movies need to be IVTC'd (e.g. to 24fps). Therefore using a PAL source is not an excuse for lack of IVTC.

- Hybrid sources are left at ripper's discretion if to IVTC or not. Ripper should mention and provide proof to any claim for ITVC or lack thereof.

Codec:
编解码器:
- MUST BE XviD (all DivX codecs are banned).
- 必须是XVID编解码器(所有divx的编解码器都被禁止)。
- MUST use 2 pass technique during encoding.
- 在编码期间必须使用二次编码技术。
- No dupes based on codec type, use INTERNAL!


Resolution and Aspect Ratio:
分辨率与宽高比
- Width: 576 - 640 pixels for movies with an AR of 1.70-3.00*
512 - 640 pixels for movies with an AR of 1.00-1.69

- Width and Height must be multiples of 16.
- 图像的宽与高必须为16的整数倍

- Cropping is required such that black borders are cropped to their maximum. In the case that the video presents changing ARs, the video must be cropped such that no frame is overcropped.

* Over- or undercropping by more than 1 pixel is considered a technical flaw(缺陷), although it is preferable to crop the 1 pixel out.

- Video encodes must be within 4% of the original aspect ratio. Calculating AR % error: (Original AR - Release AR)/Original AR x 100

- Non-retail video sources may not have the usual retail aspect ratio due to different processing. All releases should be based on the actual
source AR, not on retail AR listed on IMDB or other sources.

Subtitles:
- OPTIONAL (ONLY if all other requirements have been met).

- Subtitles MUST be packed in a RAR file with the most compression
available. This RAR file shall be placed in a directory named 'Subs'
along with an SFV file containing standard checksum information for
that RAR. The subtitles must not be packaged in the main RARs for the
release and the RAR file containing the subtitles must not be listed in
main SFV for the release.

- Vobsub packs must have the .sub file packed with the MOST compression:
subs.rar = [ <avi-name>.idx + <avi-name>.rar = (<avi-name>.sub) ]

- Burned subtitles are only permissible when present in the source. If
the subtitles overlay both active video and matting (black bars),
cropping to the bottom of the subtitles is permissible, and an equal
amount of matting shall be left at the top. If the burned subtitles
overlay only matting, they must be OCR'ed and cropped out.

- English subs on non-English releases MUST fit in the standard size
with the rest of the release. All other subs are considered optional
and are not required to fit in the standard release size.

- English subs on non-English releases must be synced with the video.

- Foreign releases (non-English spoken) lacking English subtitles MUST be
tagged with the spoken language. Releases with English subtitles MUST
NOT be tagged with the spoken language. A release containing English
subtitles after a foreign-tagged release is not considered a dupe,
regardless of whether or not the foreign-tagged release has English
subs.
- Subtitles on multiple-CD releases must be split. Inclusion of non-split
subtitles in addition to the split subtitles is encouraged.
- Custom subtitles are not allowed on retail sources. They may be used
only with non-retail sources. Propers for incorrect or missing dialogue
on custom subtitles are not allowed; release a subpack!
- Multi-language subtitles cannot be used as a basis for a dupe.
- English subbed (with original spoken language) may follow a dubbed
release (in any language); use SUBBED tag.

Packaging:
封装:
- All releases MUST be AVI.
- 所有的发布必须为avi格式
- Must be packed with RAR and broken into 15 or 20 MB volumes.
Each AVI for a multiple-CD release must be packaged into separate RAR
volumes.
- Filenames (even subpack rar file) MUST be unique (to avoid dupe).
- 文件名必须唯一(避免重复)
- Compression is not allowed.
- 不允许压缩
- Recovery and MD5 record are recommended.
- Must have an SFV included for each CD.
- Must have an NFO.
- 必须带有一个nfo文件
- NFO SHOULD INCLUDE:
- NFO文件应该包括:

Group name
Title
Actual XviD release date
DVD release date
Theatrical release date (US preferably)
Video size
Resolution / Aspect Ratio
Audio codec / Audio bitrate
Video bitrate
Movie runtime
IMDB / Amazon / Any other DVD site info link
Number of rars per CD (e.g. 50x15MB)
XviD build
Packed Bitstream
Maximum consecutive B-frames
Credits:
- Credits may be encoded at a lower bitrate unless they contain sceneslike bloopers or continuation of story.

- Cutting credits on RETAIL sources is not allowed.

Samples:
- Sample is required and must have a unique name for each release.
- 1 full minute in length and in a separate folder marked as 'Sample'.
- MUST be taken from the video, NOT encoded separately.
- Source samples are recommended for any rip that is deemed questionable: no IVTC possible on source, IVTC to 24.975fps, etc.

Propers:
- Propers are only permitted in the case of a technical flaw in the original release (e.g. bad.ivtc, interlacing, oversized).

- Propers MUST include a note in the NFO file detailing the reason.
- Releases not nuked on release lists and/or sites MUST include original sample of the technical flaw in the release sample dir.
- Qualitative propers are not allowed, nor are propers based on decisions made by a ripper (e.g. AC3 or MP3).

- Propering a release done under a previous ruleset timeline is allowed
if it has a technical flaw, such as bad.ar, bad.ivtc, over.cropping.
Other propers acceptable are propers based on releases that did not
follow previous guidelines at the time they were pred.
- Releases containing hardcoded subs may be propered by non-hardsubbed
video. Original release SHALL NOT be nuked.
- Propering a release when a working fix is released is not allowed.
- Sizefixes are not allowed.
- Propers based upon the compliance with new instances of TXD2K9 are
allowed only for releases after 2009-03-05.

WS vs. FS:
宽屏与全屏:
- WS or FS name tags on the release name are allowed.

- A WS release after an FS release (and vice versa) requires proof that the new release contains more picture area than the original release (provide sample from the original release or JPG screenshot of the same frame in both releases showing additional area). A release not documenting additional picture area is considered a DUPE.

- Wider wide screen where more of the original source is visible is valid
& not considered a dupe but should be tagged as WS not PROPER. Original
release should not be nuked. Provide proof as listed above.
- Letterboxed DVDs are not considered FS even if the aspect ratio flagged
on the disc is 4:3; only active picture area should be considered.

Special Movie Editions:
特殊版本的影片:
- Allowed: DC, EXTENDED, UNCUT, REMASTERED, UNRATED, THEATRICAL, CHRONO,
SE (or any other special edition, e.g. AE).
- Special Edition releases with same time length as previous released versions of the movie shall be considered dupes.
- Shorter cut version of a movie after a longer version was released is allowed (e.g. THEATRICAL), and MUST be mentioned in the dirname.

- Remastered movies after the original have been released are allowed only if one of the releases is BLACK AND WHITE and the other is colour. Everything else use INTERNAL! (Remastered DVD releases that were nuked in the past and were colour after black&white and vice versa, shall not be unnuked and shall not be duped!)

- Extras released in a special movie edition can not be used as a basis for a dupe, unless released separately (and are not dupes of previous releases).
- Homemade rips are not allowed (Use INTERNAL!).
- NOTE: PAL - NTSC length difference comes from the no. of frames per second and not extra footage.


Directory and File Naming:
目录及文件命名:
- All releases need to include production year.
- 所有的发布需要包含出品(影片和电视节目的)年份
- DO NOT indicate ripping method, DVD/XviD release date, genre, audio
which was used (no AC3) or anything else! (ONLY WITHIN THE NFO)
- Movie distribution tags e.g. FESTIVAL, STV, LIMITED or TV (TV tag
is used for TV movies only) are allowed and shall be used wisely and
correctly.
- READ.NFO tag is allowed, but shall not be abused.
- Other permitted tags are: WS/FS (rules above), PROPER, REPACK, RERIP,
REAL, RETAIL, EXTENDED, REMASTERED, RATED, UNRATED, CHRONO, THEATRICAL,
DC, SE, UNCUT, INTERNAL, DUBBED, SUBBED, FINAL, COLORIZED.
* Use RERIP for ripping issues and REPACK for packing issues.
* RERIPs/REPACKs must use different file names from previous release.
- Acceptable characters in naming a directory include (NO spaces or
double dots - single dots or underscores ONLY):

ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ
abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz
0123456789.-_

- Releases that are more than 1 CD MUST be named CD1, CD2, CD3 and so
on ('disc1' and others are NOT allowed).
- 多于1 CD容量的发布必须被命名为CD1, CD2, CD3等等('disc1'与其他方式的命名不被允许)
Source related notes:
来源发布注意事项:
- HD retail may be used as source only if no DVDRip has already been
released (and vice versa). Such releases must be tagged accordingly
(e.g. BDRip, HDDVDRip).
- When using AC3 on a rip from HD retail source, re-encoding DTS, LPCM,
TrueHD, DTS-HD and 640kbit/s AC3 to 448kbit/s AC3 is mandatory.
- Re-encoding material of any transcoded source is strictly forbidden!
- HD retail rip released after 1080p/720p needs source proof (a raw m2ts
sample including all audio/subtitles tracks) in sample dir.
- R5 is not considered retail.
- Non-studio audio must be tagged accordingly, e.g. LINE audio.
* Releases provided with studio audio do not dupe releases with non-
studio audio. The reverse does not apply!
- The use of sources like CAM, TS, TC, Workprint, SCREENER, Laserdisc
etc. MUST be tagged with source in the dirname and must adhere to ALL
TXD2K9 rules!
- DVD Screeners shall be clearly marked in the directory name and the
nfo shall contain presence of studio watermarking, black&white scenes
and counters or lack thereof.
Internals:
- INTERNALS should follow all TXD2K9 rules and are exempt from the time
length rules.
- Multi-language audio tracks are allowed. Multiple languages should be
interleaved into the AVI, with a graphedit filter for each appropriate
audio stream.
- Other codecs and containers are allowed for experimental purposes.
- INTERNAL dirfix should not be used as a basis of avoiding a nuke.

Ripping related notes:
- MAXIMUM bitrate must not exceed(不超过)4854 for more than a second and must not exceed 8000 kbps ever. DivX Home Theatre and MTK (not 6000) profiles follow these guidelines.

- Quantizer matrix MUST be H.263 or MPEG. Custom matrices are forbidden
due to lack of standalone support.
量化矩阵必须是H.263或MPEG.
- Pixel shape MUST be square.

- Quarter_pixel/GMC are forbidden due to lack of hardware support.
由于缺乏硬件支持Quarter_pixel /GMC(Globe_Motion_Compensation)被禁止使用
- The use of ITU-R (Gknot function) is not recommended.
- 不推荐使用ITU-R(GKnot功能)。

———————————————————————————————————————
———————————————————————————————————————
The Tradition Continues: TXD RULES 2K9 (2009-03-05)
TXD2K5 (2005-09-25) 2K2 (2002-07-12) 2K1 (2001-04-22) Original (2000-04-26)
———————————————————————————————————————
———————————————————————————————————————
-------[ GROUPS ]--------
TXD2K9 signed by the following XviD Groups:
———————————————————————————————————————
ALLiANCE DMT DoNE NeDiVX ViTE iMBT COCAIN PUKKA Larceny AMIABLE

HLS LMG ARROW COALiTiON SAPHiRE MOTION BeStDivX NEPTUNE iNTiMiD

HEFTY BaLD mVs OPTiC VoMiT ESPiSE TWiST EPiSODE FRAGMENT ARiSCO

FFNDVD SAiNTS TVA iNFiNiTE FoV ORPHEUS TOPAZ REWARD WAT NODLABS

PHASE HAGGiS aAF OSiTV RiVER REMAX MACRO FQM SFM WPi DOMiNO DvF

5MeOAMT ELiA ARTHOUSE BETAMAX EPiC iLS BrG DnB REACTOR DOCUMENT

AEN FiCO BLooDWeiSeR TNAN CoWRY iGNiTE SSF D3Si ARiGOLD AsiSter

FLAiR WRD AFO SSB TheWretched LAJ KiNOBOX WiRA BiEN GAYGAY RUBY

MESS AEROHOLiCS VH-PROD iMMORTALs JFKXViD iFN MoH XanaX WaLMaRT

———————————————————————————————————————
---[ Edited by tcj 2009. Respect goes to all TDX teams 2000-2009 ]----


发表于 2009-6-15 18:45 | 显示全部楼层
16Mod必须严格遵守吗? 感觉很多都已经不在乎这一点了~
发表于 2009-6-16 00:46 | 显示全部楼层
2# yntang66
不管怎么说,XviD还是16mod比较好。

不过话说回来,我个人是不看好这种标准的。标准用在电影上或许会好一些,但用在电影以外,比如动画就不总是那么合适了。
发表于 2009-6-16 09:01 | 显示全部楼层
xvid在压实写上优势明显啊
还有就是qmatrix一直觉得divx/xvid比AVC好
 楼主| 发表于 2009-6-16 17:41 | 显示全部楼层
借鉴别人的经验会让自己更快的成长,在实践的过程中我们会体会到益处,感觉国人就是没有标准化的意识,都是独立门户各干各的。现在资源虽然很多,但是粗制滥造也很多
发表于 2009-6-18 11:32 | 显示全部楼层
呵呵,其实这个标准是谁制定的呢?我看TLF等压片组都是置顶的。
我压片纯粹就个人研究技术了,达不到他们的高度了。我压片的码率不敢低于2000K。眼睛太挑剔了,呵呵
发表于 2009-6-23 11:07 | 显示全部楼层
5# feline

这我不反对,我想说的是anime制作就发布和命名来说国内规范性也不算差;制作方法各大组也都有自己的一套宝典, 纵向的延续性一贯性都是做的不错的。当然横向就不好说了,国人各个都是山大王,不会服从某个从天而降的组织统一管理的。

容量控制我觉得倒没必要限制的这么死,分辨率早已不是数年前SD独霸天下了,不能要求full HD的和SD的保持一样的码率吧。
 楼主| 发表于 2009-6-28 15:24 | 显示全部楼层
7# akiduki

我觉得如果自己的作品准备发布的话,还是尽量能够在保证画质的情况下减少容量吧。因为国内网络带宽普遍不高,这样做能减少自己发布的周期和别人下载的周期。归根结底还是受网络带宽影响。
发表于 2009-6-28 17:50 | 显示全部楼层
7# akiduki

我觉得如果自己的作品准备发布的话,还是尽量能够在保证画质的情况下减少容量吧。因为国内网络带宽普遍不高,这样做能减少自己发布的周期和别人下载的周期。归根结底还是受网络带宽影响。
feline 发表于 2009-6-28 15:24

当然,如果网络和我的机器性能允许,4M码率都不为过……
发表于 2009-6-28 19:44 | 显示全部楼层
个人对标准化不是很感兴趣……就算不规定标准,可供选择的正确做法一共就那么几个。采用适合每个片子的做法才是最好的。
比起某个数字必须是几几几这种僵化的思维,做法本身正确与否才是更值得关注的事情。与其有心思去限制码率、分辨率,不如去管管那些不会IVTC、不会resize、乱调色的人,这样带来的进步会大的多。
 楼主| 发表于 2009-7-2 18:40 | 显示全部楼层
如果同一部影片有1cd、2cd两个版本,我会更倾向于1CD那个
发表于 2009-11-3 19:20 | 显示全部楼层
请问这是哪个组织?在国内他们的作品多吗?
发表于 2009-11-3 19:30 | 显示全部楼层
回复 12# benxh520
似乎是国外几个压电影的大组联合制定的吧。我对国外的组不了解,不过电驴上可以下载到很多他们的作品。
发表于 2009-11-17 18:05 | 显示全部楼层
这个标准居然是2009年的。。算了我不吐槽,我也写点读后感。

视频编码,固然是一种严谨的信息技术,但又是我们鲜活世界的载体。视频是有个性的!视频编码也如视频创作一般,并不是冷冰冰的工业化生产,而是充满个性和想象力的创意产业。

每次看到所谓“标准”我便不由想到奥威尔的那部《一九八四》——但很遗憾的,人们并不会屈服于鲜明的压迫,而总是如赫胥黎《美丽新世界》那般,渐渐爱上压迫,崇拜批量化的工业文明,而丧失思考能力。标准让制作者懒于思考,让观众懒于选择,但让视频编码乃至视频本身失去美丽和完美。
发表于 2009-11-17 20:29 | 显示全部楼层
嘛……我的标准是“没有错误”。
在没有错误的基础上,压制应该依据自己的追求来决定具体方法。比如,有人喜欢不惜一切追求画质,也有人追求画质和容量“中庸和谐”的调和境界,还有人追求极小的便携size。这些个性是应该被允许的,都不是错误。
 楼主| 发表于 2009-11-20 15:51 | 显示全部楼层
回复 14# ssnake


对于新手来说,需要了解和学习的东西很多,有个固定的标准来进行约束和参考其实是有好处的,我本人就是这么过来的。何况这标准中倾注着很多团体的经验,有很多东西包括细节都值得借鉴,为什么不用呢?


张扬个性我并不反对,但是每当看到有些张扬个性的发布者,把一部本来就不长的视频活生生被拆成N份时,让我有种“为赋新词强说愁”的痛苦,想下载吧,空间又不够。
另外在软件行业团队开发是,张扬个性是万万使不得的,直接导致的后果是产品的可维护性很差。


对于坛主所说的“没有标准”,我认为只是对于有经验的人来说,已经形成了自己的一套标准。自己的这套标准是经过时间和实践的考验而得来的,包含个人经验较多。&#160; &#160;
发表于 2009-11-20 16:36 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 ssnake 于 2009-11-20 16:38 编辑

回复 16# feline
我先问个文字上的问题,你这里“为赋新词强说愁”是什么意思?

关于“有个标准约束对新手成长有利”这点,我表示赞同。但这里的“标准”,应该是一个指标性的“规范”,而非面面俱到的“规则”——我用伦理学类比,应该是一个普遍化的底线伦理而非美德伦理。新手有必要知道,怎样的作品叫好作品,以及怎样可以做出一个好作品——这是“标准”所能告诉他们的。但我也见过很多RIPPER,压片很多但技术一般,遇到特殊情况就无能为力,我认为就是因为被这么一个“规则”性的“标准”限制了思考的空间。这也就是我想强调的一点:进步是一个去标准化的过程。爱因斯坦一句“站在巨人肩上”众所周知,但爱因斯坦的成就绝对不是“巨人”的成就,而是他自己敢于思考、勇于创新的结果。如果我们总是仰望标准,仰望既有的条条框框,永远不敢去“踩巨人肩膀”,那么我们又怎么能进步?

另一方面,标准“对新手有利”以及“值得借鉴”并不意味其存在的合理性。标准的制定者,其目的显然非为给新手做一个指引(那么他们不如去写教程)——既为“标准”,其野心就在于“一统江湖”,让大家普遍接受。或者我不说得这么难听:标准存在的意义就是被大家所遵循。而如我之前所述,视频是有其“个性”的,这里的“个性”并非RIPPER的个性,而是视频本身所具有的独特属性。世上没有两片相同的树叶,世上也不会有两段相同的视频。因此,用千篇一律的“标准”做出来的作品,其实会良莠不齐。这就是视频编码需要个性的原因。feline君你这里误解了我的“个性”的意思——“张扬个性的发布者”,“把一部本来就不长的视频活生生拆成N份”,这种对实际质量没有帮助,又影响发布效率的“个性”是要不得的。

至于没有标准,我觉得那是理所应当。这里我借用康德的一句名言:在这个世界上,唯有两样东西能使我们的心灵受到深深震撼,一是我们头顶灿烂的星空,一是我们内心崇高的道德准则。在视频编码世界里的“绝对命令”(Categorical Imperative)有且只有一个:那就是在有限的容量里尽可能的提高质量。
 楼主| 发表于 2009-11-26 12:21 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 feline 于 2009-11-26 12:22 编辑

回复 17# ssnake

和哲学爱好者打交道还真是费力啊, 我花了十来分钟拜读了您文采飞扬的回复,结果我发现我们的立场是相同的,尤其是最后一句总结。其实和我想要表达的意思是相同的。没有必要为了这个而争论。对于标准来说,本是一份仁者见仁、智者见智的资料。在完全熟练后,为了更好的效果打破陈规旧俗我是完全赞同的。好吧,多说无益,就到这里吧。
发表于 2009-11-26 13:23 | 显示全部楼层
回复 18# feline
慢慢,你还没回答我这个呢
我先问个文字上的问题,你这里“为赋新词强说愁”是什么意思?


然后,我不认为我们观点是一致的——我们的出发点可以一致,但导出的结论截然不同。我反对任何形式的标准存在:因为标准的存在只会导致人的惰性,使得进步成为不可能;而你则对标准大加褒扬——至于个中理由,我不能理解。

我还去拜读过您博客的文章,似乎你通过这个标准导出了“XviD在码率控制等方面比AVC更好”这个命题(或许是我理解偏差)。这一点,我认为显然是错误的,由此我认为你就属于被“标准”所误导、而惰化的那一类人(如果是我理解偏差,那么先行致歉)。
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